This is a special live podcast, recorded at the Wheeler Centre in April 2022. Kate and Katherine interview fellow second time authors Yumna Kassab and Robert Lukins about the joys and anxieties inherent in the writing and publishing process. This event was presented as part of Mic Drops, a Wheeler Centre original series celebrating all things audible that brings together podcasting’s best and brightest to share their thoughts and insights on the art (and business) of listening. The bookseller for this event was The Hill of Content bookshop. Book recommendations! Yumna Kassab recommends Happy Stories Mostly by Normal Erikson Pasaribu. Robert Lukins recommends She is Haunted by Paige Clarke. IMAGE: Head shots of three women and one man, each one its own coloured circle.